In 2020 we covered the case of The Stanford Murders. A string of crimes that occurred between 1973-1974 in the area surrounding Stanford University. In 2016 a cold case unit regrouped their efforts, which led to the identification of a suspect named John Getreu, a serial killer operating under the radar for more than 50 years. In this special update episode we’ll delve into the significant developments in the case.
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Episode 331: Updates: John Getreu

Jay-Z’s lawyer is claiming there’s no friendship between he and Diddy, despite a paper trail dating back decades. Hats on, critical minds open, seat belts fastened. Buckle up friends because we’re coming in hot with everything you need to know (except for the history of Jay-Z and Beyoncé because that deserves its own episode).
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DEEP DIVE: JAY-Z

In the early hours of May 18, 2024, a 39-year-old mother of four vanishes after last being seen at her mother-in-law’s home in Redding, California. Just days earlier, she had shared plans to divorce her abusive husband and rebuild her life. When her family stops hearing from her, alarm bells ring, especially given her husband’s history of violence and erratic behavior. Detectives soon discover her truck abandoned in a remote area, raising even more questions about her disappearance. In episode 330, Jac and Alexis delve into the unsettling details of Nikki Cheng Saelee-McCain’s disappearance, her fight to escape an abusive marriage, and the unanswered questions that still haunt her family.
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Episode 330: Nikki Cheng Saelee-Mccain

Put your tin foil hats on because this weeks episode is a wild ride! Join us as we uncover everything we can about Luigi Mangione, the murder of Brian Thompson, the CEO of United Health Care, and what the hell is ACTUALLY going on. We’re talking facts but we’re also diving into theories because let’s be honest, nothing is making sense right now…
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DEEP DIVE: LUIGI MANGIONE

On October 7, 2022, a 22-year-old black woman is frantically knocking on doors in a suburban neighborhood on the outskirts of Kansas City, Missouri. When police arrive, they find the distressed woman with duct tape around her neck, wearing a trash bag, and a metal collar with a padlock. She tells police she had been held against her will and sexually assaulted by a man at a home nearby. But this is just the beginning. City law enforcement knows - but has consistently denied - that local black women have been going missing. When another victim turns up murdered, the lies and cover-ups begin to be exposed. And things turn uglier when a retired former detective is implicated in other local murders, with misconduct and malfeasance more prevalent than many realised. In episode 329, Jac and Alexis detail the alleged case against Timothy Haslett Jr, and how his supposed crimes have been enabled by a police department rife with systemic racism.
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Episode 329: Timothy Haslett Jr.

Today is a different kind of deep dive!  You know the show Sister Wives?  Yeah, the wacky reality show on TLC about that weird polygamist guy with the ramen noodle mullet? Did you know one of his wives has a serial killer in her family tree?  This week we’re deep diving the dark, twisted history of the LeBaron family.  And there’s murder….lots of murder.
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DEEP DIVE: SISTER WIVES

On March 22, 2016, a 50-year-old woman passes away in Baldwin, New York. She had been suffering from chronic pain for almost 10 years following surgery, and was found to have died from an opioid overdose. It’s a tragic yet not uncommon story in a country in the grip of a sweeping prescription opioid epidemic. It wouldn’t be until almost two and a half years later that an investigation commenced into not just the woman’s death, but that of three other people who had also died in similar circumstances in the meantime. As law enforcement looks into how the deceased obtained the prescription drugs which had caused their deaths, it became clear that they were all provided by the same physician. But before the doctor could be charged, a fifth person lost their life. In episode 328, Jac and Alexis discuss the shocking case of Dr George Blatti, someone with no regard for the Hippocratic oath, the patients he was obligated to help, or their families.
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Episode 328: Dr. Blatti

Grab a flashlight! This week the girls and the ginger are getting dark! That’s right! Radiation poisoning, humans birthing rabbits, dancing to death, being buried alive, OH MY! On the stand today: top sheets, joint bachelor/bachelorette parties, FaceTime selfie cam fixation, and leaving time left on the microwave! Then! A worstie spices things up!🎟 Catch up to FOUR bonus episodes per month plus full video episodes over on Patreon:patreon.com/thefirstdegree❤️ The Heavy Metal Project: theheavymetalproject.com📸 Instagram: instagram.com/thefirstdegree🕺 TikTok: tiktok.com/@thefirstdegreee👤 Facebook: facebook.com/thefirstdegree⚖️ On the Stand: (818) 446-6889💩 Worst Thing You’ve Ever Done: (818) 446-6889🤝 Advice: hello@thefirstdegreepodcast.com


BONUS: KILLING TIME: HELLO DARKNESS

In the early morning of June 6th, 2010, 22-year-old Megan Waterman walks out of a hotel on Long Island and is never seen alive again. A week prior, Megan and her boyfriend, Akeem Cruz, traveled from Maine to New York for business purposes. Megan was a sex worker and Akeem was her pimp. Every few months, the couple would go to New York so Megan could meet with clients for sex work. Once they had made a suitable profit, Megan and Akeem returned home to Maine. But this time, Megan couldn’t go home. On December 13th of 2010, seven months after her disappearance, Megan’s skeletal remains are discovered on Long Island’s Gilgo Beach. Also found near Megan’s remains are the remains of three other victims. All four victims are female sex workers in their twenties. In episode 248, Jac and Alexis unravel how the Long Island Serial Killer, who is suspected to have killed as many as ten sex workers, has continued to evade capture for over twenty years.🎟 Don't want to wait? This entire 3-part series is available now on Patreon:patreon.com/thefirstdegree❤️ The Heavy Metal Project: theheavymetalproject.com📸 Instagram: instagram.com/thefirstdegree🕺 TikTok: tiktok.com/@thefirstdegreee👤 Facebook: facebook.com/thefirstdegree⚖️ On the Stand: (818) 446-6889💩 Worst Thing You’ve Ever Done: (818) 446-6889🤝 Advice: hello@thefirstdegreepodcast.com


Episode 248: Megan Waterman (LISK Part 1)

Hear ye, hear ye! This week the girls and the ginger are headed to the Renaissance Pleasure Fair! Lace up your tunics, sharpen your axes and join us for some medieval mayhem! On the stand this week: interrogating an only child, tramp stamps, rules, and turkey in general! Then! A worstie blames a buddy!🎟 Catch up to FOUR bonus episodes per month plus full video episodes over on Patreon:patreon.com/thefirstdegree📸 Instagram: instagram.com/thefirstdegree🕺 TikTok: tiktok.com/@thefirstdegreee👤 Facebook: facebook.com/thefirstdegree⚖️ On the Stand: (818) 446-6889💩 Worst Thing You’ve Ever Done: (818) 446-6889🤝 Advice: hello@thefirstdegreepodcast.com


BONUS: KILLING TIME: M’LADY

On January 12, 2006, a 44 year old woman is shot at her home in Houston, Texas. The community is in a state of disbelief. The wife and mother of two leaves behind a devastated family in an attack that appeared to come out of nowhere. However, when friends and family come to learn the perpetrator’s identity, the shockwaves continue to ripple outward. On the surface, the killer is the last person you might suspect. But underneath a veneer of respectability and a happy home, the signs of deep discontent have been evident for some time. In episode 247, Jac and Alexis detail the devastating case of Cindy Stevens, and how struggles occuring behind closed doors can have far more terrifying, and sadly, deadly consequences than we could ever anticipate.🎟 Catch up to FOUR bonus episodes per month plus full video episodes over on Patreon:patreon.com/thefirstdegree📸 Instagram: instagram.com/thefirstdegree🕺 TikTok: tiktok.com/@thefirstdegreee👤 Facebook: facebook.com/thefirstdegree⚖️ On the Stand: (818) 446-6889💩 Worst Thing You’ve Ever Done: (818) 446-6889🤝 Advice: hello@thefirstdegreepodcast.com


Episode 247: Cindy Ching Stevens

This week the girls and the ginger return with some erroneous excerpts! That’s right, we’ve all been misquoting Marilyn Monroe this whole time. And Gandhi?! On the stand this week: misspelled names, naps, cohost couples, and night owls! Then! A worstie with a budget airline blunder!🎟 Catch up to FOUR bonus episodes per month plus full video episodes over on Patreon:patreon.com/thefirstdegree📸 Instagram: instagram.com/thefirstdegree🕺 TikTok: tiktok.com/@thefirstdegreee👤 Facebook: facebook.com/thefirstdegree⚖️ On the Stand: (818) 446-6889💩 Worst Thing You’ve Ever Done: (818) 446-6889🤝 Advice: hello@thefirstdegreepodcast.com


BONUS: KILLING TIME: SAY WHAT?

On the evening of May 27, 2021, police in Houston, Texas, receive a report of a missing 5 year old boy. Everyone in the youngster’s family are beside themselves with worry and make public pleas for his return. A large scale search search operation commences, but as the days pass with no further developments, the outlook isn’t good. Finally a tip comes in. But when investigators follow up, it’s tragically too late. Only six days after the young boy is reported missing, his body is found in a motel room, and he’s died from blunt force trauma. The next day, the first of several arrests in the case is swiftly made, but everyone is stunned when the alleged perpetrator’s identity is revealed. In episode 246, Jac and Alexis detail the heartbreaking murder of Samuel Olson, said to be at the hands of someone in his close circle who, shockingly, was already a parent themselves.  Catch up to FOUR bonus episodes per month plus full video episodes over on Patreon:patreon.com/thefirstdegree📸 Instagram: instagram.com/thefirstdegree🕺 TikTok: tiktok.com/@thefirstdegreee👤 Facebook: facebook.com/thefirstdegree⚖️ On the Stand: (818) 446-6889💩 Worst Thing You’ve Ever Done: (818) 446-6889🤝 Advice: hello@thefirstdegreepodcast.com


Episode 246: Sam Olson

This week the girls and the ginger return with a quiz. Who’s most likely to get a tramp stamp? Urinate in public? And more! On the stand this week: The Hamburglar, Trader Joe’s parking lots, sandwiches for dinner, and meat mascots. Then! A worstie with a menstrual mishap! Enjoy!🎟 Catch up to FOUR bonus episodes per month plus full video episodes over on Patreon:patreon.com/thefirstdegree📸 Instagram: instagram.com/thefirstdegree🕺 TikTok: tiktok.com/@thefirstdegreee👤 Facebook: facebook.com/thefirstdegree⚖️ On the Stand: (818) 446-6889💩 Worst Thing You’ve Ever Done: (818) 446-6889🤝 Advice: hello@thefirstdegreepodcast.com


BONUS: KILLING TIME: MOST LIKELY TO…

On the evening of July 20th, 2011, 21-year-old La’Reko Antonious Williams goes to the movies with his girlfriend in Charlotte, North Carolina. As they prepare to go home using public transportation, the young couple begins arguing. The situation turns violent. Several bystanders call 911, and Police Officer Michael Forbes arrives on the scene. After a tense conversation, Officer Forbes commands La’Reko to get on the ground. When La’Reko doesn’t comply, Officer Forbes tases him in the chest. La’Reko falls to the ground, conscious but in pain. Then, Officer Forbes tases him for a second time. Minutes later, La’Reko dies from cardiac arrest. In the years to come, La’Reko’s family, community, and the Charlotte court system will try to understand if Officer Forbes’s second tase was excessive force. In episode 245, Jac and Alexis unravel La’Reko’s story, the dangers of Tasers, and the complexities behind police brutality.🎟 Catch up to FOUR bonus episodes per month plus full video episodes over on Patreon:patreon.com/thefirstdegree📸 Instagram: instagram.com/thefirstdegree🕺 TikTok: tiktok.com/@thefirstdegreee👤 Facebook: facebook.com/thefirstdegree⚖️ On the Stand: (818) 446-6889💩 Worst Thing You’ve Ever Done: (818) 446-6889🤝 Advice: hello@thefirstdegreepodcast.com


Episode 245: La’Reko Williams

This week the girls and the ginger are dazed and confused about the origin of the term “420”. Follow us to the Mount Rushmore of reefer as we uncover the true meaning behind the numbers! Then! On the stand this week: cakes for Christ, capybaras, reclining your airplane seat, and the dodo! And finally, a worstie firstie you may have heard last week on accident! Oops!🎟 Catch up to FOUR bonus episodes per month plus full video episodes over on Patreon:patreon.com/thefirstdegree📸 Instagram: instagram.com/thefirstdegree🕺 TikTok: tiktok.com/@thefirstdegreee👤 Facebook: facebook.com/thefirstdegree⚖️ On the Stand: (818) 446-6889💩 Worst Thing You’ve Ever Done: (818) 446-6889🤝 Advice: hello@thefirstdegreepodcast.com


BONUS: KILLING TIME: 420

When the murders of Dan O’Connell and James Ellison had all but gone cold, new detectives caught a break while investigating a complaint made against a priest from the local church.  From there the case unraveled quickly, and culminated in another shocking death. Once the truth was revealed things in Hudson would never be the same, and the feelings of shock and betrayal still linger today.🎟 Catch up to FOUR bonus episodes per month plus full video episodes over on Patreon:patreon.com/thefirstdegree📸 Instagram: instagram.com/thefirstdegree🕺 TikTok: tiktok.com/@thefirstdegreee👤 Facebook: facebook.com/thefirstdegree⚖️ On the Stand: (818) 446-6889💩 Worst Thing You’ve Ever Done: (818) 446-6889🤝 Advice: hello@thefirstdegreepodcast.com


Episode 244: The O'Connell Funeral Home Murders Part 2

This week on Killing Time, the girls and the ginger are back and we’re diving into some cheating scandals that rocked our pop culture worlds! That’s right, cheater cheater pumpkin eaters! Scandoval, Shania, Tiger Woods! Then on the stand this week, we have reboots, old socks, and sun exposure! PLUS the sexual cowboy returns to prosecute pushy passengers! And finally, a Worstie gets ringtone revenge! All that and more this week on Killing Time!🎟 Catch up to FOUR bonus episodes per month plus full video episodes over on Patreon:patreon.com/thefirstdegree📸 Instagram: instagram.com/thefirstdegree🕺 TikTok: tiktok.com/@thefirstdegreee👤 Facebook: facebook.com/thefirstdegree⚖️ On the Stand: (818) 446-6889💩 Worst Thing You’ve Ever Done: (818) 446-6889🤝 Advice: hello@thefirstdegreepodcast.com


BONUS: KILLING TIME: PUMPKIN EATER

The city of Hudson, Wisconsin was rocked when Dan O’Connell and James Ellison were found gunned down in the office of The O’Connell Funeral home. The case would take years to solve and an array of theories tore investigators in several directions. The case was all but cold when a new lead emerged unexpectedly,  leading detectives right to the door of Hudson’s local Catholic Church. Tune in next week for part 2 of our coverage on this case. 🎟 Don't want to wait for Episode 2? Join us on Patreon:patreon.com/thefirstdegree📸 Instagram: instagram.com/thefirstdegree🕺 TikTok: tiktok.com/@thefirstdegreee👤 Facebook: facebook.com/thefirstdegree⚖️ On the Stand: (818) 446-6889💩 Worst Thing You’ve Ever Done: (818) 446-6889🤝 Advice: hello@thefirstdegreepodcast.com


Episode 243: The O'Connell Funeral Home Murders Part 1

This week the girls and the ginger are back with more unsolicited advice in our new segment ask a girl, ask a ginger! But before we get to the throwaway therapy, we’ve got some bitchin’ to do. On the stand this week: overly nice drivers, men’s haircuts, regular rain, and worm rain. PLUS! A worstie minces words!🎟 Catch up to FOUR bonus episodes per month plus full video episodes over on Patreon:patreon.com/thefirstdegree📸 Instagram: instagram.com/thefirstdegree🕺 TikTok: tiktok.com/@thefirstdegreee👤 Facebook: facebook.com/thefirstdegree⚖️ On the Stand: (818) 446-6889💩 Worst Thing You’ve Ever Done: (818) 446-6889🤝 Advice: hello@thefirstdegreepodcast.com


BONUS: KILLING TIME: WORM RAIN

On October 16th, 2005, the 25-year-old daughter of today's first degree guests had her life taken while she was asleep in her Oceanside, California apartment. The place where she was supposed to feel most safe. Nicole Sinkule's family and friends were beyond horrified upon learning the news... they were gutted, heartbroken and enraged. And while the perpetrator was quickly apprehended - the aftermath, his prosecution and eventual conviction were only the first steps in a long and painful battle to keep a monster behind bars.In episode 242, Alexis and Jac will tell you the story of Nicole Sinkule, how wonderful she was, and how you can help keep her remorseless killer in prison.HELP US KEEP NATHANIEL MARUM BEHIND BARS.Nathanial Marum's next parole hearing date is May 1st of 2023. Please email us a letter opposing his parole to hello@thefirstdegreepodcast.com. These letters are essential in swaying the outcomes of these parole hearings. Thank you in advance for taking a few moments to help this incredible family.🎟 Catch up to FOUR bonus episodes per month plus full video episodes over on Patreon:patreon.com/thefirstdegree📸 Instagram: instagram.com/thefirstdegree🕺 TikTok: tiktok.com/@thefirstdegreee👤 Facebook: facebook.com/thefirstdegree⚖️ On the Stand: (818) 446-6889💩 Worst Thing You’ve Ever Done: (818) 446-6889🤝 Advice: hello@thefirstdegreepodcast.com


Episode 242: Nicole Crystal Sinkule

This week the girls and the ginger are talking all about pranks! That’s right, it’s spoof and goof season, and we’re going all-in on April fools. Come with us as we dive into not only the origin of the holiday but some of the most legendary leg-pulls of all time! Then! On the stand today we have: chicken salad, Vanderpump Rules, Selena Gomez, and new friends! We’re truly all over the place so settle in and get ready to kill some time with us!🎟 Catch up to FOUR bonus episodes per month plus full video episodes over on Patreon:patreon.com/thefirstdegree📸 Instagram: instagram.com/thefirstdegree🕺 TikTok: tiktok.com/@thefirstdegreee👤 Facebook: facebook.com/thefirstdegree⚖️ On the Stand: (818) 446-6889💩 Worst Thing You’ve Ever Done: (818) 446-6889🤝 Advice: hello@thefirstdegreepodcast.com


BONUS: KILLING TIME: APRIL FOOLERY

On January 2, 1996, a 31 year old gas station clerk is shot and killed on the job in Kerrville, Texas. The killer then forces his friend at gunpoint, who is waiting outside, to steal $11,000 in cash and checks. The men are quickly arrested, with the accomplice leading police to the murder weapon. Despite having no knowledge of the plan beforehand, the accomplice is charged with murder, along with the killer. What ensues is a nightmare legal battle for one man to prove that while he was at the scene and is proven guilty, he is not deserving of the punishment he faces. In episode 241, Jac and Alexis detail the murder of Kriss Lee Keeran at the hands of Daniel Reneau, who pulled his friend Jeffrey Wood down with him into a quagmire of deadly and unjust consequences, resulting in Jeff’s heartbreaking and ongoing fight for clemency.🎟 Catch up to FOUR bonus episodes per month plus full video episodes over on Patreon:patreon.com/thefirstdegree📸 Instagram: instagram.com/thefirstdegree🕺 TikTok: tiktok.com/@thefirstdegreee👤 Facebook: facebook.com/thefirstdegree⚖️ On the Stand: (818) 446-6889💩 Worst Thing You’ve Ever Done: (818) 446-6889🤝 Advice: hello@thefirstdegreepodcast.com 


Episode 241: Jeff Wood

This week the girls and the ginger are on a quest to discover the true meaning behind some phrases we all use day-to-day. Should be a piece of cake. Piece of cake? There’s a story behind that. Then! On the stand this week: PortaPotties, Premature bag retrieval, Lisa Frank, and the word MOIST! And finally, a Worstie with one of the shittiest stories we’ve heard yet!🎟 Catch up to FOUR bonus episodes per month plus full video episodes over on Patreon:patreon.com/thefirstdegree📸 Instagram: instagram.com/thefirstdegree🕺 TikTok: tiktok.com/@thefirstdegreee👤 Facebook: facebook.com/thefirstdegree⚖️ On the Stand: (818) 446-6889💩 Worst Thing You’ve Ever Done: (818) 446-6889🤝 Advice: hello@thefirstdegreepodcast.com


BONUS: KILLING TIME: PIGEONS

On July 18th, 2016, 32-year-old Jessica Loraine Berry gets into a red car with a friend. She is never seen again. Six days later, Jessica’s family reports her missing to the local police. Jessica’s family points them to a local veteran: 47-year-old Richard Allen Hurt. The detectives interview Richard briefly, but their investigation slows down quickly because Jessica is a known drug addict. Investigators suspect Jessica is not missing, and is keeping a low-profile during a drug binge. But on July 29th, Jessica’s remains are discovered. Her body was dismembered, stored in black trash bags, and hidden under a home improvement construction site. The homeowners found Jessica’s remains right before their handyman, Richard, was scheduled to pour concrete on the area. Richard admits to dismembering and hiding Jessica’s body, but refutes any involvement in her death. In episode 240, Jac and Alexis explore how Richard may have successfully evaded justice for Jessica’s murder.🎟 Catch up to FOUR bonus episodes per month plus full video episodes over on Patreon:patreon.com/thefirstdegree📸 Instagram: instagram.com/thefirstdegree🕺 TikTok: tiktok.com/@thefirstdegreee👤 Facebook: facebook.com/thefirstdegree⚖️ On the Stand: (818) 446-6889💩 Worst Thing You’ve Ever Done: (818) 446-6889🤝 Advice: hello@thefirstdegreepodcast.com


Episode 240: Jessica Berry

This week the girls and the ginger are taking a brief look into the Scarlet Letter and the value of owning your shit! Speaking of, we’re starting a new segment to help you own your shit! Ask a girl, ask a ginger! Advice from your favorite non-qualified true-crime hosts! On the stand this week: illegally tinted windows, Diet Coke, crowding the baggage claim, and grocery store cart etiquette! Then, a worstie goes grinch!🎟 Catch up to FOUR bonus episodes per month plus full video episodes over on Patreon:patreon.com/thefirstdegree📸 Instagram: instagram.com/thefirstdegree🕺 TikTok: tiktok.com/@thefirstdegreee👤 Facebook: facebook.com/thefirstdegree⚖️ On the Stand: (818) 446-6889💩 Worst Thing You’ve Ever Done: (818) 446-6889🤝 Advice: hello@thefirstdegreepodcast.com


BONUS: KILLING TIME: OWN YOUR SHIT

On the morning of Saturday, September 16th, 2006, 51-year-old Essam Ahmed Eid and his wife, 43-year-old Teresa Engle, meet with 23-year-old mortgage broker Anne “Lauryn” Royston to refinance their home. As the meeting begins, Eid reveals his true intentions: he is a hitman, and he was hired to kill Lauryn. According to Eid, Lauryn can escape death if she pays him $20,000 within three days. The FBI and Lauryn work together to arrest Eid, the creator of a nefarious website under the domain HitmanForHire.Net. But Eid mysteriously disappears. Meanwhile, in Ireland, 43-year-old Sharon Collins hires Eid to murder her multimillionaire boyfriend and his two sons, so she can steal their family fortune. When Eid and his coconspirators bungle the assassination, the Irish police and US federal agents team up to take down this dangerous man. In episode (insert number), Jac and Alexis chronicle the misadventures of the unexpected culprits behind HitmanForHire.Net.🎟 Catch up to FOUR bonus episodes per month plus full video episodes over on Patreon:patreon.com/thefirstdegree📸 Instagram: instagram.com/thefirstdegree🕺 TikTok: tiktok.com/@thefirstdegreee👤 Facebook: facebook.com/thefirstdegree⚖️ On the Stand: (818) 446-6889💩 Worst Thing You’ve Ever Done: (818) 446-6889


Episode 239: HitmanForHire.Net

This week the girls and the ginger are toying around with the most bizarro Barbie blunders of all time! Then, on the stand this week: wacky wedding dances, toothbrushes in the dishwasher, making eye contact with TSA, and small talk before a favor! ALSO! A distracted driver avoids detention! All that and more on Killing Time!🎟 Catch up to FOUR bonus episodes per month plus full video episodes over on Patreon:patreon.com/thefirstdegree📸 Instagram: instagram.com/thefirstdegree🕺 TikTok: tiktok.com/@thefirstdegreee👤 Facebook: facebook.com/thefirstdegree⚖️ On the Stand: (818) 446-6889💩 Worst Thing You’ve Ever Done: (818) 446-6889


BONUS: KILLING TIME: BARBIE BLUNDERS

On April 10th, 2001, actress 26-year-old Rebeca Peña works on the film Muhammad Ali in Miami, Florida. Late that night, Rebeca leaves the set and drives to her Miramar apartment. No one ever sees her again. Six days later, fishermen find a suitcase floating in a Miami canal with Rebeca’s body inside. The police investigation reveals that Rebeca’s ex-boyfriend and the father of her child, 26-year-old Berkley Calvin Curtis Jr., may have been involved in Rebeca’s death. For years, Rebeca accused Berkley of physical and mental abuse. But Berkley is quickly cleared when his new girlfriend provides him with an airtight alibi the same night Rebeca was murdered. Berkley’s name is cleared. He moves across the country, raises Rebeca’s daughter, and starts a new family. But, 20 years later, on December 14th, 2020, the police arrest now 46-year-old Berkley. In episode 238, Jac and Alexis reveal how Berkley may have almost gotten away with murder.🎟 Catch up to FOUR bonus episodes per month plus full video episodes over on Patreon:patreon.com/thefirstdegree📸 Instagram: instagram.com/thefirstdegree🕺 TikTok: tiktok.com/@thefirstdegreee👤 Facebook: facebook.com/thefirstdegree⚖️ On the Stand: (818) 446-6889💩 Worst Thing You’ve Ever Done: (818) 446-6889


Episode 238: Rebeca Peña

This week the girls and the ginger are digging deep! About six feet to be exact! That’s right, we’re talking grave robberies! On the stand this week: calling women females, men calling themselves boys, awkward street crossings, and untidy spaces! Then! Mayhem in the mosh pit as one of The Maine’s fans calls in with a worst thing they’ve ever done!🎟 Catch up to FOUR bonus episodes per month plus full video episodes over on Patreon:patreon.com/thefirstdegree📸 Instagram: instagram.com/thefirstdegree🕺 TikTok: tiktok.com/@thefirstdegreee👤 Facebook: facebook.com/thefirstdegree⚖️ On the Stand: (818) 446-6889💩 Worst Thing You’ve Ever Done: (818) 446-6889


BONUS: KILLING TIME: BODIES

On July 2, 2005, 911 is called to respond to a 2 year old adopted girl in Manassas, Virginia, who’s not breathing. At the hospital, medical staff find the girl has suffered severe internal injuries. Not only are the injuries quickly determined to be suspicious, but they were sustained a full day before medical attention is sought for the toddler. Hospital staff quickly notify the authorities. It’s too late to save the young girl’s life, but when the heat is turned up on her mother, nobody anticipates the significant and far reaching ripple effect the full consequences will have, not just for the victim’s caregivers, but for thousands of families across the country who are desperate to be adoptive parents. In episode 237, Jac and Alexis detail the tragic murder of Nina Hilt, at the hands of the very person in her life whose job was to protect and keep her safe.🎟 Catch up to FOUR bonus episodes per month plus full video episodes over on Patreon:patreon.com/thefirstdegree📸 Instagram: instagram.com/thefirstdegree🕺 TikTok: tiktok.com/@thefirstdegreee👤 Facebook: facebook.com/thefirstdegree⚖️ On the Stand: (818) 446-6889💩 Worst Thing You’ve Ever Done: (818) 446-6889


Episode 237: Nina Viktoria Hilt

This week the girls and the ginger are back in the studio and we’re diving deep into the wild world of botched executions. Uplifting stuff really! But before we wallow in the gallows, on the stand this week we have some candy charges : mysterious strawberry treats, werthers originals, tootsie rolls, and ludens!! Then! Our first video worstie call! Join us!!🎟 Catch up to FOUR bonus episodes per month plus full video episodes over on Patreon:patreon.com/thefirstdegree📸 Instagram: instagram.com/thefirstdegree🕺 TikTok: tiktok.com/@thefirstdegreee👤 Facebook: facebook.com/thefirstdegree⚖️ On the Stand: (818) 446-6889💩 Worst Thing You’ve Ever Done: (818) 446-6889


BONUS: KILLING TIME: BOTCHED

On Monday, September 26th, 1983, 21-year-old Sidney Ann Merrick drives from Salt Lake City to Park City, Utah, to run an errand for her boss. While heading eastbound on I-80, Sidney’s car breaks down. Less than an hour later, Sidney’s body is discovered on an off-ramp near Parleys Summit. She’s been stabbed to death. Eyewitnesses traveling along the freeway place 33-year-old Wesley Allen Tuttle at the scene. Tuttle is apprehended while trying to flee the country and swiftly convicted of first-degree murder. Shortly after, Tuttle escapes prison for five months. Then, the Utah Supreme Court changes Tuttle’s conviction to second-degree murder and significantly reduce his sentence. But, in 2008, new DNA testing proves Tuttle sexually assaulted and murdered another young woman: 14-year-old Lisa Lynne Chambers. In episode 236, Jac and Alexis explain how Wesley Allen Tuttle nearly escaped prison, the court system, and justice for over 25 years.🎟 Catch up to FOUR bonus episodes per month plus full video episodes over on Patreon:patreon.com/thefirstdegree📸 Instagram: instagram.com/thefirstdegree🕺 TikTok: tiktok.com/@thefirstdegreee👤 Facebook: facebook.com/thefirstdegree⚖️ On the Stand: (818) 446-6889💩 Worst Thing You’ve Ever Done: (818) 446-6889


Episode 236: Sidney Ann Merrick

This week the girls and the ginger are here with some fascinating facial hair facts. One in particular actually. The story of Abraham Lincoln’s iconic beard! It’s four score and seven shaves ago, and the story is certainly one you won’t expect. On the stand this week: voice notes, folded potato chips, mayo on fries, and stinkin’ it up at the gym. PLUS! A New Years kiss of death!🎟 Catch up to FOUR bonus episodes per month plus full video episodes over on Patreon:patreon.com/thefirstdegree📸 Instagram: instagram.com/thefirstdegree🕺 TikTok: tiktok.com/@thefirstdegreee👤 Facebook: facebook.com/thefirstdegree⚖️ On the Stand: (818) 446-6889💩 Worst Thing You’ve Ever Done: (818) 446-6889


BONUS: KILLING TIME: BABERAHAM LINCOLN

On August 22, 2010, a 22 year old Salvadoran man is repeatedly stabbed to death in the backseat of a car in broad daylight in Charlotte, North Carolina. Witnesses to the brutal slaying call in the attack to 911. Straight away law enforcement is sure this is a drug deal gone wrong. Later that day a 17 year old young woman and her 18 year old boyfriend are apprehended at a hotel, along with the murder weapon. At the time of the murder, Charlotte is awash with heroin, so officers aren’t surprised about the nature of the killing. But when the identity of one of the suspects in particular is released to the public, everyone is shocked beyond words. In episode 235, Jac and Alexis detail the murder of Oscar Alvarado Chavez, at the hands of Danielle Holmes and her boyfriend Jonathan Fitzgerald, and how the ravages of addiction can sometimes take us to the point of no return.🎟 Catch up to FOUR bonus episodes per month plus full video episodes over on Patreon:patreon.com/thefirstdegree📸 Instagram: instagram.com/thefirstdegree🕺 TikTok: tiktok.com/@thefirstdegreee👤 Facebook: facebook.com/thefirstdegree⚖️ On the Stand: (818) 446-6889💩 Worst Thing You’ve Ever Done: (818) 446-6889


Episode 235: Oscar Alvarado

This week the girls and the gourmand (Matt’s back!) are taking a trip to the golden days of award television, and we’re talking about all the crazy happenings on the VMA’s over the years. Then, Lex has TWO on the stand’s this week. We’re talking roombas, napkin skimping, TMJ, and… stairs? That’s right, Matt wants to get his steps in! Two Worsties today: one is short and sweet, the other is quite the opposite!🎟 Catch up to FOUR bonus episodes per month plus full video episodes over on Patreon:patreon.com/thefirstdegree📸 Instagram: instagram.com/thefirstdegree🕺 TikTok: tiktok.com/@thefirstdegreee👤 Facebook: facebook.com/thefirstdegree⚖️ On the Stand: (818) 446-6889💩 Worst Thing You’ve Ever Done: (818) 446-6889


BONUS: KILLING TIME: THE VMA’S

On September 3, 2017, a 35 year old mother of three goes missing from Wyoming, Michigan, after failing to pick up her three children from her 38 year old ex-boyfriend’s house. The next day, when the woman still hasn’t made contact with anyone, her roommate reports her disappearance. As the weeks turn into months without any sign of the missing woman, the mystery deepens. Her family has their suspicions but can’t be sure about anything until a body is found. But when the killer’s identity and their motive for the murder is revealed, this is just the start of unraveling a network of individuals involved in protecting the perpetrator. In episode 234, Jac and Alexis detail the grisly case of Ana Carrillo, and how the most seemingly benign people from our everyday lives can sometimes turn out to be something straight from our nightmares.🎟 Catch up to FOUR bonus episodes per month plus full video episodes over on Patreon:patreon.com/thefirstdegree📸 Instagram: instagram.com/thefirstdegree🕺 TikTok: tiktok.com/@thefirstdegreee👤 Facebook: facebook.com/thefirstdegree⚖️ On the Stand: (818) 446-6889💩 Worst Thing You’ve Ever Done: (818) 446-6889


Episode 234: Ana Carrillo

This week the girls and the ginger are heading west to discover all the different ways you can die on the Oregon trail! On the stand this week: the pronunciation of Oregon, not wearing shoes, barging onto an elevator, and excessive group texts! ALSO! Another worstie with a sexual sin! Hallelujah!🎟 Catch up to FOUR bonus episodes per month plus full video episodes over on Patreon:patreon.com/thefirstdegree📸 Instagram: instagram.com/thefirstdegree🕺 TikTok: tiktok.com/@thefirstdegreee👤 Facebook: facebook.com/thefirstdegree⚖️ On the Stand: (818) 446-6889💩 Worst Thing You’ve Ever Done: (818) 446-6889


BONUS: KILLING TIME: THE OREGON TRAIL

On the afternoon of Sunday, November 14th, 2004, Carl “Doc” Waterman and his 16-year-old daughter, Rachelle Waterman, return home to small-town Craig, Alaska, after a weekend trip. But, when they enter their house, Doc and Rachelle notice something strange: an empty wine bottle, a wine glass, and no sign of Rachelle’s mother, 48-year-old Lauri Waterman. In a forest 40 miles north of Craig, local hunters find a still-burning Chrysler van with bones inside. Experts confirm they are Lauri’s human remains and that she was undoubtedly murdered. Law enforcement officials investigate Doc, the potentially cheating husband, and Rachelle, the rebellious daughter with a blog called My Crappy Life. But when Rachelle’s two 24-year-old lovers, Jason Arrant and Brian Radel, break under police questioning, the entire community unravels at what is revealed. In episode 233, Jac and Alexis expose the unexpected killers responsible for the assassination of Lauri Waterman.🎟 Catch up to FOUR bonus episodes per month plus full video episodes over on Patreon:patreon.com/thefirstdegree📸 Instagram: instagram.com/thefirstdegree🕺 TikTok: tiktok.com/@thefirstdegreee👤 Facebook: facebook.com/thefirstdegree⚖️ On the Stand: (818) 446-6889💩 Worst Thing You’ve Ever Done: (818) 446-6889


Episode 233: Lauri Waterman

This week, the girls are joined again by the one and only Holly Madison for a Killing Time of epic proportions! Turns out, Holly brought her own On The Stand, so we’re putting on the stand compact car spaces, Playboy bunny tanning stickers, and body glitter! Then for this week’s true crime rewind, we’re taking a deep dive into the sometimes dark and always intriguing inner workings of the Playboy lifestyle!Also - Don't miss Holly's new show "The Playboy Murders" airing on Discovery ID and streaming on D+. Premiering 1/23 and airing Mondays at 8/9 central.🎟 Catch up to FOUR bonus episodes per month plus full video episodes over on Patreon:patreon.com/thefirstdegree📸 Instagram: instagram.com/thefirstdegree🕺 TikTok: tiktok.com/@thefirstdegreee👤 Facebook: facebook.com/thefirstdegree⚖️ On the Stand: (818) 446-6889💩 Worst Thing You’ve Ever Done: (818) 446-6889


BONUS: KILLING TIME: HOLLY MADISON

Playboy is an internationally recognized brand and household name. Whether you were a fan of E!’s hit reality show Girls’ Next Door or whether your brother had a stack of playboys under his mattress- you’ve been exposed to Playboy. Considering the indulgences that the Playboy brand represents-- sex, money, women, and power-- it should be no surprise how many crimes are connected to the institution. And today, with the help of the incomparable Holly Madison, we're going to take you through one of them: the case of January 1991 issue's playmate, Stacy Arthur.Also- Don't miss Holly's new show "The Playboy Murders" airing on Discovery ID and streaming on D+. Premiering 1/23 and airing Mondays at 8/9 central.🎟 Catch up to FOUR bonus episodes per month plus full video episodes over on Patreon:patreon.com/thefirstdegree📸 Instagram: instagram.com/thefirstdegree🕺 TikTok: tiktok.com/@thefirstdegreee👤 Facebook: facebook.com/thefirstdegree⚖️ On the Stand: (818) 446-6889💩 Worst Thing You’ve Ever Done: (818) 446-6889


Episode 232: Stacy Arthur with Holly Madison

This week the girls and the ginger are waxing poetic as they learn some perplexing and polarizing facts about Poe. That’s right, Edgar Allan Poe. Did you know the dude was a lightweight? Anyways. On the stand this week: bathroom door disturbances, self-quoting poets, and sweet gherkins! PLUS! A firstie worstie with some poorly timed bad news! Get ready to snap those fingers, it’s a poem party!🎟 Catch up to FOUR bonus episodes per month plus full video episodes over on Patreon:patreon.com/thefirstdegree📸 Instagram: instagram.com/thefirstdegree🕺 TikTok: tiktok.com/@thefirstdegreee👤 Facebook: facebook.com/thefirstdegree⚖️ On the Stand: (818) 446-6889💩 Worst Thing You’ve Ever Done: (818) 446-6889


BONUS: KILLING TIME: EDGAR ALLAN POEM

On June 29, 2001, the badly beaten body of a 58 year old Native American man is pulled from his burning home in Wichita, Kansas. The victim has been robbed and left for dead before his attackers set the house ablaze. Within hours, police learn that an 18 year old man and a 16 year old teen may know something about the murder. As police talk to associates of the young men, and the victim’s own family, it becomes apparent that the perpetrators have committed a hate crime - they claim the victim, who was gay, made unwanted advances. When the evidence piles up against the offenders, it seems as though justice will be served. However, this is just the start of a long and painful road for the victim’s family. In episode 231, Jac and Alexis detail the heartbreaking murder of Marcell Eads Jr at the hands of Zachary Steward and his friend Brandon Boone.🎟 Catch up to FOUR bonus episodes per month plus full video episodes over on Patreon:patreon.com/thefirstdegree📸 Instagram: instagram.com/thefirstdegree🕺 TikTok: tiktok.com/@thefirstdegreee👤 Facebook: facebook.com/thefirstdegree⚖️ On the Stand: (818) 446-6889💩 Worst Thing You’ve Ever Done: (818) 446-6889


Episode 231: Marcell Eads Jr.

In the early 2000s, the US Army opens a misconduct investigation on Bennie William Schuck II. Bennie’s teenage daughter is accusing him of sexually molesting her seven years ago when she was only five years old. But, when the Criminal Investigation Division struggles to secure an interview with the daughter, they close the investigation. Eleven years later, Bennie retires from the US Army as a respected Sergeant First Class. During his military tenure, Bennie was deployed twice, received multiple medals for excellent service, and was an esteemed expert among his peers. His record was spotless. But on August 8th, 2019, 45-year-old Bennie William Schuck II is arrested for creating and distributing child pornography with his girlfriend, 35-year-old Amber K. Talley. One of their victims is Amber’s 9-year-old daughter. In episode 230, Jac and Alexis discover the shocking truth behind why Bennie William Schuck II was able to escape justice for so long while working for the US Army.🎟 Catch up to FOUR bonus episodes per month plus full video episodes over on Patreon:patreon.com/thefirstdegree📸 Instagram: instagram.com/thefirstdegree🕺 TikTok: tiktok.com/@thefirstdegreee👤 Facebook: facebook.com/thefirstdegree⚖️ On the Stand: (818) 446-6889💩 Worst Thing You’ve Ever Done: (818) 446-6889


Episode 230: Bennie William Schuck

This week, we're releasing our Killing Time episode early to discuss the Idaho Murders. Jac and Lex will be discussing the strange details surrounding the case,  and what we know so far after the release of an affadavit on Thursday.🎟 Catch up to FOUR bonus episodes per month plus full video episodes over on Patreon:patreon.com/thefirstdegree📸 Instagram: instagram.com/thefirstdegree🕺 TikTok: tiktok.com/@thefirstdegreee👤 Facebook: facebook.com/thefirstdegree⚖️ On the Stand: (818) 446-6889💩 Worst Thing You’ve Ever Done: (818) 446-6889


BONUS: KILLING TIME: THE MOSCOW MURDERS

🎟 Catch up to FOUR bonus episodes per month plus full video episodes over on Patreon:patreon.com/thefirstdegreeGreetings and Happy New Year Firsties! It’s our first Killing Time of 2023 and we’ve got a lot to talk about. On the stand today: multi-level Target stores, bottle service, small talk with your dentist, and byobh (bring your own bottle home). Then we’re doing a deep dive into the wild world of famous alleged celebrity deaths! Then, our Worsties call in with a pregnancy predicament and a dead mouse (not the DJ).📸 Instagram: instagram.com/thefirstdegree🕺 TikTok: tiktok.com/@thefirstdegreee👤 Facebook: facebook.com/thefirstdegree⚖️ On the Stand: (818) 446-6889💩 Worst Thing You’ve Ever Done: (818) 446-6889


BONUS: KILLING TIME: DEAD CELEB ISLAND

On November 26, 1981, four men are killed and two others are wounded in a shooting massacre on Thanksgiving night in Chicago, Illinois. The murders make headlines as being the worst multiple slayings in the city in four years. In the coming days, police arrest four Mexican nationals over the killings, who also all happen to belong to one family. It soon emerges that the circumstances leading to the massacre are buried in a deep and ongoing dispute between the accused and victims families, resulting in bloodshed. But not everything is as buttoned up and clear cut as the courts make it appear. In episode 229, Jac and Alexis detail the murders of Valente Galindo, and brothers Ramon, Arnulfo, and Heliodoro Sanchez, and the lifelong, far reaching impact on the wrongfully convicted men in their case which irreparably changed lives forever.


Episode 229: The Milwaukee Ave Massacre

This week, the girls and the ginger are back to ring in the new year! That’s right, it’s the week after Christmas and nobody really knows what to do with their lives. Might as well put some final things on the stand. We’re talking resolutions, a midnight kiss, and cheap advent calendar chocolates. Next, a new segment! Reddit Said It! A deep dive into the blunders of internet strangers! And finally, a worstie firstie with a story we’ve named “Pee Bong”. Happy New Year!


BONUS: KILLING TIME: NEW YEAR, SAME US

From 2002 to 2017, 63-year-old Dr. Ricardo Cruciani practices medicine as an esteemed anesthesiologist, neurologist, and pain management specialist. He works in multiple renowned medical facilities where he treats patients with severe chronic pain by providing them with extremely high doses of prescription opioid painkillers. Cruciani’s work in pain management is widely lauded, and his peers consider him a gifted physician. But, in 2016, Cruciani’s employer receives eight complaints about his behavior. Reports indicate that he is sexually inappropriate toward his female patients. By September 2017, Cruciani is arrested on the charges of indecent exposure, indecent assault, and more. Dozens of former female patients come forward, claiming that Cruciani purposefully overprescribed them powerful painkillers so that they would develop an opioid addiction. Then, Cruciani leveraged his patients’ need for opioids to force them into unwanted sexual acts. In episode 228, Jac and Alexis delve into how Cruciani escaped justice for over fifteen years.


Episode 228: Dr. Ricardo Cruciani

Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays to all of you wonderful Firsties out there! Today’s Killing Time is all about spreading the holiday cheer, but first, we’re taking the elf off the shelf and putting him on the stand! Also, Mistletoe! Santa?! Adult gifting!? Then! We brought PRESENTS! Lots of presents! And finally, a Worstie Firstie with pants on fire. Yule laugh, yule cry, but whatever you do, don’t shoot out your eye!


BONUS: KILLING TIME: CHRISTMAS IS CREEPY

On June 6, 2021, a 24 year old woman and her 46 year old mother are shot to death inside the older woman’s home in Douglasville, Georgia by an intruder. The sudden and brutal double murder destroys the lives of the women’s families. The younger woman had recently moved back home following the breakdown of her marriage, and was finding her feet outside the relationship. Sadly for the grieving families involved, there will be no resolution, no closure, no retribution, no punishment, and no justice. Because the killer, who’s well known to his victims, takes his own life at the scene. In episode 227, Jac and Alexis detail the double murder of Nikita Green and Kaliyah Ratliff at the hands of Kaliyah’s estranged husband Udoamaku Nwamu, and how the different faces that perpetrators of domestic abuse can present to the world often leave us only with painful questions and no answers.


Episode 227: Udoamaka Nwamu, Kaliyah Ratliff & Nikita Green

This week the girls and the ginger become song sleuths to uncover the true meaning behind those sugary pop anthems from the 90’s and beyond! From Barbie Girl to Britney, it’s time to learn what we’ve all actually been singing about. Then! On The Stand heats up with cold leftovers, stork signs, nausea and more! PLUS! A worstie puts a lunch thief in their place with a spicy surprise!


BONUS: KILLING TIME: BABY ONE MORE TIME

On December 20, 2003, a 19 year old college student is stabbed 19 times outside an apartment complex in Garland, Texas. It’s a heartbreaking loss for the family and friends of a young woman who had such promise. The victim was an intelligent, ambitious sophomore and talented flutist who played in her university’s renowned marching band. Thankfully, her killer is apprehended at the scene and confesses not long after. But the pain and trauma continues when the attacker tries to plead insanity, despite him telling others of his plans in the weeks leading up to the murder. In episode 226, Jac and Alexis detail the tragic murder of Mayra De Loa at the hands of her ex-boyfriend Paul David Milne, and what happens when the people who are supposed to love us the way they say they do, make the cruel and selfish choice to take away our right to live our life on our own terms.


Episode 226: Mayra De Loa

This week the girls and the ginger are talking about some pretty unbelievable real life crimes that were inspired by fiction! John Lennon, Dexter, Stephen King, Vampires!! It’s all here! On the stand this week: waiting in lines! Watching tv with captions! MORNING SHRIMP?!?! Plus! A worstie firstie with a poster prank that will leave you perplexed!


BONUS: KILLING TIME: LIKE, LITERALLY!

Anyone who has been abused or harmed deserves justice. The kind of justice validated by a courtroom trial and a guilty verdict. But our justice system is an imperfect one. Not everyone’s monster gets punished. Today’s story will show you that a lack of courtroom justice doesn’t mean failure. We’re in control of how we prevail over trauma. And every monster is responsible for the crimes they commit- even if they escape the law.


Episode 225: Dawsyn, reclaimed

Strap yourself IN because this week we’ve died and gone to heaven! If you’re reading this, you’ve been left behind! But good news! Televangelist Jim Bakker has you covered! Step right up and learn all about his wild transition from Pastor to Prepper! And for our lucky Patreon subscribers, you get to watch it all unfold on video! Our first ever from our new studio!


BONUS: KILLING TIME: BAKKER’S BUCKETS

On August 13th, 1994, a 9-year-old little girl is snatched from her bed in the middle of the night. Hundreds of volunteers sweep the cornfields of Brighton, Iowa, desperate to locate the little girl. Local law enforcement exhaust their every resource to find her: canine units, helicopters, off-road vehicles, over 500 missing child posters, internet forums, and more. But no matter how hard they look, investigators only discover one clue: a screen door that was removed from its tracks and placed outside the house where the little girl was sleeping. After five days of searching with nothing to show for it, the little girl’s family, the police, and local residents are losing hope. Until, suddenly, the very same man who installed the dismantled screen door confesses. In episode 224, Jac and Alexis explain how Lary Lane Morgan shattered his friends’ trust and destroyed the safety of an entire community when he kidnapped, sexually assaulted, and murdered Anna Marie Emry.


Episode 224: Anna Marie Emry

This week the girls and the ginger are unbuttoning their pants, laying back, and letting the tryptophan take the wheel. It’s turkey time, and even though we’re super thankful for so much, there’s plenty of bones we have left to pick. Dark meat vs. light meat, talking to your Uber driver, and non-bird related Thanksgiving dinners. Then, it’s time for some terrible turkey related worstie calls!


BONUS: KILLING TIME: OL DUSTY BIRD

On May 19, 2022, a 40 year old woman is shot outside her house in Pleasant Grove, Utah. Everyone in the community is in disbelief. Despite almost losing her life during a brutal assault by an abuser, struggling with addiction, and living with domestic violence, the victim’s life has turned around in the months before her death. She’s recently married, and dedicates her time to helping victims of domestic trafficking reclaim their bodies and lives. When friends and family learn the killer’s identity, it’s the last person they'd ever have suspected. In episode 223, Jac and Alexis detail the devastating case of Nicki Peterson, and how the choices made by those we think we can love and trust can be more dangerous than the people we truly have reason to fear.


Episode 223: Nicki Peterson

This week the girls and the ginger are back and ready to expose themselves… to the horrors of live TV moments gone wrong! Plus, kids on the internet, peeing in the shower, popcorn, and calories on a menu! Get your gavels out, On The Stand is all over the place this week. PLUS! Sexual revenge, and a babysitter gone rogue!


BONUS: KILLING TIME: NIPPLEGATE

On October 17, 1996, a 41 year old repair shop owner and father of three is bludgeoned to death at his home in St Amant, Louisiana, by an intruder. The killer leaves a bloody baseball bat in the victims’ bathtub, but there appears to be little forensic evidence indicating who’s responsible. For detectives, without any leads or solid direct evidence, it seems a confession will be the only way to solve the case. It won’t be until over a year later, in November 1997, that law enforcement would apprehend the killer. Tragically, by this stage he’d killed another five people. In episode 222, Jac and Alexis detail the chilling case of Daniel Blank, a violent offender who became known as the River Parishes Serial Killer, and had older residents of this small region of Louisiana living in fear.


Episode 222: The River Parishes Serial Killer

This week the girls and the ginger are back to take a walk on the dark side of Sesame Street! Also, one, two, three (AH AH AH!) On The Stands about the invasion of personal space. Finally, saddle up because the sexual cowboy is back with a firstie worstie that leaves Jac and Lex thirsty.


BONUS: KILLING TIME: THE SINS OF SESAME

In 1984, 13-year-old Allison Tinsley moves out of her abusive mother’s home in South Carolina. Like a real-life fairytale, Allison is going to live with her rich and loving father, 36-year-old Dwaine Tinsley, in Los Angeles. It's perfect, until one day Dwaine sneaks into Allison’s bedroom and molests her. From then on, for five years, Dwaine would sexually abuse Allison multiple times a week. All the while, Dwaine was the creator of Hustler magazine’s Chester the Molester comic strip, which depicts a perverted old man who tricks little girls into having sex with him. In 1989, Allison informs the police of her father’s abuse, and Dwaine is sentenced to six years in prison. But due to a technicality, his conviction is overturned after two years. In episode 221, Jac and Alexis analyze the complex culture of Hustler magazine and how Dwaine Tinsley hid in plain sight for far too long.Buy Allison’s book here: https://www.allisonunchained.com/


Episode 221: Chester The Molester

This week the girls and the ginger are back with an astrological adventure into the month of November. Step right up and find out why we should all be more afraid of babies conceived on Valentine’s day! The courtroom is packed this week with more airplane related on the stand’s, and Alexis has a bone to pick with canned cran. Plus! A Worstie call to end them all. Also! Don’t miss our first ever freestyle Costanza Stanza!


BONUS: KILLING TIME: OH NO-VEMBER!!!

On July 21, 2019, two brothers from Wisconsin aged in their twenties and thirties go missing after visiting a rural property outside Braymer, Missouri. In the following days, police learn that a 25 year old cattle farmer from the Braymer area may know something about the disappearances. He admits to driving the vehicle the brothers took to the farm, but he hasn’t seen them since. When human remains are discovered at the site 10 days after the brothers were last seen, police realize the truth behind the brothers disappearance is darker than they could have imagined. It’s not long before investigators zero in on the cattle farmer, who owes the brothers a six figure sum. In episode 220, Jac and Alexis detail the murders of the Diemel brothers, Nicholas and Justin, at the hands of Garland ‘Joey’ Nelson, and the lengths he went to to avoid repaying his debt.


Episode 220: Garland Joseph Nelson

This week the girls and the ginger are knocking on your doors and they want candy. That’s right, we’re talking about treacherous trick-or-treats. Also, we debate non-sexy Halloween costumes, Halloween weddings, and getting your Christmas all mixed into your Halloween. PLUS! A chaotic worstie pulls on a prank on a penis. All that and more this week on Killing Time!


BONUS: KILLING TIME: OOH, PIECE OF CANDY!

On October 8th, 2000, 44-year-old Chris Northon is camping in Oregon with his wife, 38-year-old Liysa, and their 3-year-old son. After four years of marriage, Chris and Liysa were no longer happy. Both Chris and Liysa hoped that this weekend getaway could help mend their relationship’s troubles. But when Liysa confronts Chris about his poor behavior and substance abuse, the couple trade harsh words—and blows. That night, Liysa uses her .38-caliber revolver to shoot Chris in the head while he is asleep in his sleeping bag. At trial, Liysa reveals that Chris abused her, physically and emotionally, for years. But when unexpected evidence appears mid-trial, Liysa goes to prison for 12 years with a plea deal. Controversy is sparked years later when prolific true crime author Ann Rule covers the case in her best-selling novel Heart Full of Lies. In episode 219, Jac and Alexis explore the tangled web of lies surrounding Chris Northon’s death.


Episode 219: Chris Northon

That’s right, the girls and the ginger are learning all about those spooky-maybe-real-maybe-not-animals like the classic Big Foot. They debate Southwest Airlines, broccoli stalks, and the complexities of apartment neighbored relationships. Also, did you know Big Foot had boobs? Now you do!


BONUS: KILLING TIME: ITS CRYPTOZOOLOGY SZN

On November 29, 1996, two young men in Farmington, New Mexico, are murdered and mutliated inside a downtown business known as The Eclectic. At first it seems like a robbery gone wrong, but investigators soon deduce it’s more serious. However, despite the brutal nature of the crime, law enforcement is unable to pin down a suspect, and the city is on edge. It wouldn’t be until 4 years later, in December 2000, that investigators would apprehend the killers. Tragically, by this stage, one of the men had killed at least two more people, both from the Navajo nation, and was facing two additional trials. In episode 218, Jac and Alexis detail the frightening case of Robert Fry, a disturbed offender who over several years terrorised the northwest of New Mexico.


Episode 218: Matthew Trecker

This week the girls and the gourmand (Matt) are back with a stomach-turning adventure! That's right, we're talking the worst of the worst when it comes to jellybean flavors. Also! Is it okay to have more than one Halloween costume? What about free candy? We're getting into it with this week's On The Stand. PLUS! (and this one really doesn't fit the theme) A pants-wetting worstie. Enjoy!


BONUS: KILLING TIME: BEANBOOZLED

On August 18, 2020, a 44 year old mother of two goes missing from Crawfordsville, Indiana, after a heated argument with her husband. Two days later, when she hasn’t returned home, her husband reports her disappearance. The same day, a sickening discovery is made just outside town, but the mystery only deepens. If the victim met her killer after leaving her home, law enforcement is in a race against the clock to find the person responsible before they strike again. But when the real killer is identified, and the motive for the murder is revealed, it’s as disturbing as it is incomprehensible. In episode 217, Jac and Alexis detail the grisly case of Hope Parks, and the gruesome lengths some people will go to when they feel they don’t have a choice.


Episode 217: Hope Parks

This week the girls and gourmand dive into the most notorious outlaws of the Wild West. They debate going shoeless in public, dogs in bags on trains, and…cars??? Also is Matt too good of a person to be a part of TFD? Pls let us know


BONUS: KILLING TIME: WILD WILD WEST

On September 1st, 2003, 17-year-old Justine Vanderschoot sat down with her parents to eat dinner. Her boyfriend, 18-year-old Danny Bezemer, joined them. Recently, Justine and Danny had discussed getting married later that year, and Justine’s parents supported them despite their young age. After dinner, Danny went home and Justine went to bed. The next day, Justine was gone. Immediately, the Vanderschoot family organized search parties, passed out fliers, and organized a candlelight vigil to find their beloved daughter. Sixteen days after Justine vanished, Justine’s boyfriend, Daniel, and his roommate, 21-year-old Brandon Fernandez, led police investigators to her body’s location. After tapping Justine’s phone, Daniel had learned she was speaking to another man. In a fit of jealous rage, Daniel and his roommate Brandon strangled Justine, buried her alive, and killed her. In episode 216, Jac and Alexis unravel the tragic murder of Justine Vanderschoot.


Episode 216: Justine Vanderschoot

This week the girls are joined by none other than May and Bill Vanek. That's right, the entire fam is here and we have quite the special episode for all you firsties. Poisonous Tylenol, botched haircuts, couples in matching outfits, single-use towels, and much, much more.


BONUS: KILLING TIME: WHERE THERE'S A BILL, THERE'S A MAY

On June 1, 2011, a 39 year old mother of triplets goes missing from Cape Girardeau, Missouri after visiting her divorce attorney. The woman’s panicked family is extremely concerned for her welfare. Police soon zero in on the missing woman’s husband. Investigators learn that there’s a history of abuse and domestic violence. However, when the victim goes missing, both she and her husband are on the same page about the divorce. In the past he’d threatened her life if she left. But now, he was happy to proceed. How could someone have such a profound shift in their perspective? Can we really trust someone when they change their mind about something so significant? In episode 215, Jac and Alexis detail the tragic case of Jacque Waller, a woman who was on the cusp of a new life when a killer cruelly robbed her of that future.


Episode 215: Jacque Waller

This week, the girls and the ginger are taking a trip to Salem to learn about the hysteria surrounding the town during the witch trials. Plus! The metaverse is on the stand, along with adult birthday parties and surprise drop=by's. Also! Stick around until the end for one of Lex's best Costanza Stanzas to date!


BONUS: KILLING TIME: WITCH HUNT

On August 3, 2021, 27-year-old Austin Lanz boards a bus to Arlington, Virginia. He exits onto a bus station platform that is mere steps away from the US military headquarters known as the Pentagon. Without any warning or provocation, Austin immediately ambushes and kills a Pentagon police officer, 37-year-old George Gonzalez. Then, Austin kills himself. Two weeks prior, Austin had been charged with breaking into his neighbor’s home after terrorizing and stalking the residents for years. A few months later, Austin's 22-year-old brother Matthew Lanz snaps from the pressure of his emotional turmoil. On November 18th, 2021, Matthew kills the man and woman he believes his older brother was obsessed with, only to discover that this is a tragic case of mistaken identity. In episode 214, Jac and Alexis reveal the wild twists and turns of the Lanz brothers’ crimes and explain how their unwarranted violence affected so many.


Episode 214: The Lanz Brothers

This week the girls and the ginger are rollin out! Looking for America’s greatest diners, drive ins, and dives. That’s right, Guy Fieri is on the stand. Also, we’re discussing the evolution of Charles Darwin’s dating life. Plus! Tongue in a wedding kiss? That’s all right here, right now on The First Degree (Killing Time).


BONUS: KILLING TIME: CHUCKY D

On August 22, 1992, a 40 year old woman and her 41 year old boyfriend are brutally attacked in a motel room in Tampa, Florida. The couple is beaten unconscious and hacked at with a knife before their attacker does something unimaginable to his male victim. The seeds of malevolence are sown in this perpetrator long before he gets to this point. But what was his ‘sliding doors’ moment? People don’t just evolve into criminals in a social and environmental vacuum. There’s a tipping point for everyone, a point of no return. When it comes to criminality, is there such a thing as genetic predetermination? When it seems like the world is against us from a young age is there truly hope for us to have the freedom to choose our own path? In episode 213, Jac and Alexis detail the incomprehensible case of Terry Barron, a serial abuser whose desire for control and vengeance knew no bounds.


Episode 213: Terry Barron

This week the girls and the ginger discuss Dr. Phil, phones on silent, and loose change! Then, they dive in for a big heaping helping of history, as Alexis tries her best to teach us all about Joan of Arc! Plus, heresy!


BONUS: KILLING TIME: JOAN OF ARC

On December 17, 1998, a 39 year old prominent clinical geneticist at the Baylor College of Medicine in West University Place, Texas, is raped, stabbed, and bludgeoned to death at her home by an intruder. When investigators find the victim’s Jeep Cherokee in San Antonio, a stranger’s fingerprints are on the steering column. It wouldn’t be until at least six month later, in June 1999, that law enforcement would apprehend the killer. Tragically, by this stage he’d killed another six people across two states. But the body count was far greater than anyone initially realised. In episode 212, Jac and Alexis detail the disturbing case of Angel Resendiz, a violent offender who became known as the Railroad Killer, and struck terror into the hearts of railroad communities across Florida, Kentucky, Texas, Georgia, IIlinois, and as far west as California.


Episode 212: The Railroad Killer

This week the girls and the ginger go back to 1912 and learn all about the dark history of the Titanic. They debate cruises, singing in public, and whether you should sit next to or across from your partner at dinner. Plus, chats about immortal deep sea creatures! 


BONUS: KILLING TIME: ICEBERG RIGHT AHEAD!

On March 12, 2011, 29-year-old Brittany Norwood and 30-year-old Jayna Murray are discovered in the bloody backroom of a Lululemon Athletica store. Brittany is alive, but she is bound with zip-ties and injured. Jayna is dead. In interviews with law enforcement, Brittany explains that two masked men robbed the store, attacked the women, and fled the scene. But as police gather more and more evidence about this brutal crime, it's apparent that Brittany’s story doesn’t match reality. In episode 211, Jac and Alexis uncover the true events of Jayna Murray’s tragic murder.


Episode 211: Jayna Murray

This week the girls and the ginger follow the yellow brick road and learn all of the dark, twisted, messed up facts surrounding The Wizard of Oz. They debate yellow mustard, Dole Whip, and of course…deviled eggs. Plus, wanna know where Toto is buried? We got you!


BONUS: KILLING TIME: THERE’S NO PLACE LIKE HOME

Today concludes Jennifer’s story of escaping Peter Paul, which will inspire you, haunt you, and make you truly believe in the power of karma. Jennifer never should have had to try so hard to escape an abusive relationship, because doing so almost cost her her life. Domestic violence is hidden in every crease and corner of so many people’s lives, and as a society, we need to do better.


Episode 210: Surviving Peter Paul, Part 2

This week the girls are graced with the presence of a very special guest: their bestie and celeb makeup artist Afton Williams for a very special makeup themed episode. They dive into different killers who incorporated makeup into their M.O. and debate fake freckles, bright eyeliner, and the Little Miss trend. Plus, makeup tips!


BONUS: KILLING TIME: MURDER & MAKEUP

Today’s story is one of the most harrowing we’ve ever told, and reveals the dark, and sometimes hopeless reality of being imprisoned by an abusive relationship. There are two key things we want listeners to take away from listening to Jennifer’s story. Number one. Never, ever ask a domestic abuse survivor why they didn’t “just leave?” Number two. Karma is REAL… and if you weren’t a believer before, you will be by the time you finish this story.


Episode 209: Surviving Peter Paul

This week the girls and the ginger discuss different murderers whose narcissism and self obsession lead to their own demise. They debate ketchup on eggs, Judge Judy, and taking professional phone calls on the treadmill. Plus, a BTK shit talking sesh!


BONUS: KILLING TIME: SELF SABOTAGE

Of all the places young women expect to feel safe, the classroom is one of them. Sure, school bullies can make our lives hell, but teachers are meant to be the ones we can trust to guide us through many of the usual pitfalls of high school. Inspiring and compassionate mentors can make all the difference. But what happens when this trust and duty of care is grossly violated in such a painful and traumatic way that it changes your life forever? To make things worse, what if you had to deal with people not only not believing you, but victimizing you further for being brave enough to speak the truth? This story is not only about such a profound violation of privacy and trust, but a sex offence facilitated by technology where most victims don‘t even know they’ve been targeted.


Episode 208: Mr. Sanger

This week the girls and the ginger are talking about pets, pests, and plagues.  They learn about all of the worst infestations in history, and debate having a bug as a pet, saving the world by singing into your phone, and the plague doctor costume.  Plus, capybaras!


BONUS: KILLING TIME: PLAGUE PARTY

There’s nothing more intriguing than a peek behind the curtain of an elusive and exclusive world… What’s even more seductive is being welcomed into it. On episode 207, Jac and Lex explore the elicit and sometimes violent world of Motorcycle Clubs, specifically, the Gypsy Joker Outlaws.


Episode 207: The Gypsy Joker Outlaws

This week the girls and the ginger learn about the most messed up way to make a burger. They debate In N Out fries, breakfast all day, and a cheese-less burger. Plus, when stealing a Pog gets slammed into your mind forever!


BONUS: KILLING TIME: THE HAMBURGLAR

On August 6, 2000, a 15 year old student walking not far from his home in Los Angeles is snatched off the street. Little does anyone know, he’ll never see his family again. When details emerge about what preceded the young man’s disappearance and what transpired afterwards, the motive, sequence of events and the many people involved make it seem like something out of a movie. In fact, it does become a movie, which only adds fuel to the fire, thanks to a state prosecutor having a questionable level of creative input on the project. To complicate matters, the orchestrator of the horrific events goes on the run, prompting an international manhunt and evading capture for almost 5 years. In episode 206, Jac and Alexis detail the case of Jesse James Hollywood, and how the murder of Nicholas Markowitz appalled the affluent neighbourood of West Hills, California.


Episode 206: Jesse James Hollywood

This week the girls and the ginger celebrate the anniversary of the moon landing by diving into space related conspiracy theories!  They debate lobster ice cream, “the crunch”, and picking money up off the ground.  Plus, we discovered the gateway to hell!


BONUS: KILLING TIME: MAN ON THE MOON

On September 9, 2016, a 47 year old off duty firefighter attends to assist a vehicle which is stuck in the mud on a road on the outskirts of town. Before the night is over, the man will be dead and his devastated wife inconsolable. When an arrest is made, those who knew the victim are in disbelief. Because there’s more than one person involved in this dark and twisted story, and the motive is truly chilling. In episode 205, Jac and Alexis detail the case of Robert “Bob” Poynter and how his murder shocked the small community of Royse City, Texas.


Episode 205: Chacey Poynter

This week the girls and the ginger put on their berets for a French themed KT! They debate frog legs, ice in drinks, and conversing with your plane seat mate. Plus they go through France’s most bizarre laws. Au revoir!


BONUS: KILLING TIME: C’EST LA VIE

Internet technology evolves faster than any of us can keep up with.  And as more and more of our lives are spent online, criminals are adapting. They’re exercising ingenuity, and concocting creative new ways to harm, victimize, and exploit the most vulnerable. This story is about one of those criminals: a pedophile who thought he was untouchable…only he wasn’t.


Episode 204: Sextortion

This week the girls and the ginger dive into the fascinating phenomenon of the Mandela Effect, and go through some of the craziest false memories from our recent history. They debate the concept of flavor blasted, carpets in airports, and sponges. Plus the best Worstie Firstie revenge involving puzzle pieces!


BONUS: KILLING TIME: MANDELA EFFECT

In July of 1999, Racine County, WI Law Enforcement was called to the scene of a female victim who had been left in a cornfield. Based on her injuries, she'd suffered years of abuse and had been killed within 24 hours of being placed in the field. In the decades that followed, law enforcement agencies used every resource at their disposal in an effort to not only identify the victim, but also hone in on her killer. The answers to these questions wouldn't be revealed until 2019, and the person responsible for the crime would shock and horrify the people who knew her, especially those who'd  had close encounters with the perpetrator. 


Episode 203: Linda LaRoche

This week the girls and the ginger dive into the messiest celebrity divorces of the 2000s, starting with the iconic Jessica Simpson &amp; Nick Lachey.  They debate over-preparing for a trip, 2 drink maximums at brunch, and shar pei tails.  Plus the most heartwarming Worstie Firstie we’ve ever received.


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